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 Subject : Dynamic Histories- PhD student seeking help with data collection.. 07/23/2020 02:13:01 PM 
Anna Loup
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Hello all,

I am very thankful to have this forum to ask for assistance with my research. I am a PhD student from USC in Los Angeles, California working on a dissertation focused on the emergence of system dynamics during the years of 1945-1970.

I am using a statistical method called dynamic modeling to chart complex histories, explore possible 'past futures,' and highlight overlooked actors (i.e., diversify histories). I am currently in the data collection phase for my bibliometric analysis and want to ensure that I am using all resources available to me. As of now, I have collected data from World Cat, Web of Science, the SDS bibliography data, and ordered the MIT System Dynamics Group literature collection. If you are aware of other resources or databases that may be of assistance, please let me know.

Finally, I am also happy to connect with others who are interested in the history and development of system dynamics.

Thank you in advance for all your help!
 Subject : Re:Dynamic Histories- PhD student seeking help with data collection.. 07/23/2020 02:23:53 PM 
Eliot Rich
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Location: Albany, NY, USA
Hello.
I recommend strongly Richardson's book "Feedback Thought in Social Science," which traces the roots of the feedback concept over thousands of years. It's not a database, but it is a formidable lit review with hundreds of relevant citations.
 Subject : Re:Dynamic Histories- PhD student seeking help with data collection.. 07/23/2020 02:29:24 PM 
Anna Loup
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Thank you I will place a library request for it directly!
 Subject : Re:Dynamic Histories- PhD student seeking help with data collection.. 08/03/2020 12:27:16 PM 
Jean-Jacques Lauble
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Hi Anna
I have been too interested in the emergence of SD and did not find answers to several questions that I will list underneath.

First, did General Motors ask Jay to work on other problems after his first work? If not, why? GM is a big business with plenty of factories and were and still are looking for gifted consultant. Were Jay’s advices applied. Were the results satisfactory? There is little literature about that, or maybe you have some?

Studying the dynamic of a factory was not too complex with limited boundaries. But Jay started to study problems concerning a town, that are to my opinion much more complex.

The first difficulty being the system of governance which is highly unstable (elections) with ambiguous motivation from the decision makers and subject to many pressures (lobbies, press etc..) that do not exist with a factory.

I personally think that it would have been more judicious to keep working in an easier domain for much more time, trying later on to expand the domain once the simple domain was mastered. Later Jay accepted to work on a still more complex problem the whole word.

I think that this strategy is the main cause of SD being now strongly associated with system thinking that works on very difficult problems in a more or less qualitative way (it is easier to work on big problems if one has not to quantify anything) with the pretention to do it too quantitatively.

I have nothing against ST, but I believe that associating it with SD, has no sense, both methods having not enough principles in common, ST being not based on numbers, contrarily to SD. ST attracts too lots of people who think that they are able to do SD properly and give a vey bad image of it.

JJ
 Subject : Re:Dynamic Histories- PhD student seeking help with data collection.. 08/03/2020 12:32:41 PM 
Jean-Jacques Lauble
Posts: 55
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Hi Anna
I have been too interested in the emergence of SD and did not find answers to several questions that I will list underneath.

First, did General Motors ask Jay to work on other problems after his first work? If not, why? GM is a big business with plenty of factories and were and still are looking for gifted consultants. Were Jay’s advices applied? Were the results satisfactory? There is little literature about that, or maybe you have some?

Studying the dynamic of a factory was not too complex with limited boundaries. But Jay started to study problems concerning a town, that are to my opinion much more complex.

The first difficulty being the system of governance which is highly unstable (elections) with ambiguous motivation from the decision makers and subject to many pressures (lobbies, press etc..) that do not exist with a factory.

I personally think that it would have been more judicious to keep working in an easier domain for much more time, trying later on to expand the domain once the simple domain was mastered. Later Jay accepted to work on a still more complex problem the whole word.

I think that this strategy is the main cause of SD being now strongly associated with system thinking that works on very difficult problems in a more or less qualitative way (it is easier to work on big problems if one has not to quantify anything) with the pretention to do it too quantitatively.

I have nothing against ST, but I believe that associating it with SD, has no sense, both methods having not enough principles in common, ST being not based on numbers, contrarily to SD. ST attracts too lots of people who think that they are able to do SD properly and give a vey bad image of it.

JJ
 
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