REPLY Definition of root cause (SD6829)
SDMAIL Jack Harich
register at thwink.org
Fri Mar 21 06:11:24 CDT 2008
Posted by Jack Harich <register at thwink.org>
SDMAIL Jean-Jacques Laublé wrote:
> Hi Jack.
>
> This is a very theoretical discussion, and I try to apply SD to very
> concrete problems. I think that to illustrate your ideas and to prove
> that they can have a practical application, it would be a good idea to
> show an example with even a very simple with a model (snip)
Be glad to. Just look at the Dueling Loops model. It has the root cause,
the low leverage points, the high leverage points, and solution
convergence. The full paper version is the better read, due to more
detail. This example uses SD. See:
http://www.thwink.org/sustain/articles/005/DuelingLoops_Paper.htm
For a second example see:
http://www.thwink.org/sustain/manuscript2/ProperCouplingPackage.htm
This uses causal flow diagrams instead of SD. This allows the dynamic
hypothesis to be much more easily understood.
Jean-Jacques Laublé wrote:
> Hi Jack
>
> Can your models be applied to a precise case and preferably not
> needing years to get the results, so as to prove its usability?
> Is it possible to make the model run on past data to see that it
> replicates
> past results?
> I need some motivation to start studying your models.
Actually it's not the models that are applied, but the problem solving
process. The one that works for me is the System Improvement Process
(SIP). This was designed to solve any difficult social problem. The
links to the Dueling Loops and Proper Coupling models are merely
examples on how the process can be applied. SIP is itself an example of
how the better the process fits the problem, the easier the problem is
to solve.
"Is it possible to make the model run on past data to see that it
replicates past results?" - Both links are to examples of concept
models, not calibrated models. The Proper Coupling model is a causal
flow model, so it doesn't run physically. But you can run it mentally to
see that it replicates past system behavior.
The Dueling Loops model is a stock and flow model, so it runs. In the
long version of the paper 22 simulation runs are discussed. This should
be more than enough for you to see how the model behaves, given various
starting states. Note that concept models do not duplicate historic
results exactly. They only duplicate general modes of system behavior.
If your problem is how to shift from one system mode to another, and not
how to fine tune (optimize) a system to be a little better here and
there, then concept models can suffice.
Hope this helps you get going. One question to ask yourself is what
process do I use to solve problems with SD? If you are not using a
formal process, checking off the steps as you go and continuously
improving it, then it's likely you will stumble around and confuse
yourself and clients, unless a problem is easy or you have encountered
it before.
Posted by Jack Harich <register at thwink.org>
posting date Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:30:32 -0400
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